So thank you for the comments and the help about these boots:

but against the popular vote to keep i actually returned them.
thinking a little black bag with some hardware may satisfy my stud craving.

ALSO, my boy fashion brain takes over the girl part and i fail with options. when it comes to black boots i always seem to wear my go to ones i thrifted last fall:


my black stud $ trade helped me get these:

i'm happy